5. Gooch Family (1)

Family of Henry and Harriet Gooch

2.1.  1831 Marriage Catharine Howell and Henry Gooch

“I can confirm that Catherine Howell married Henry Gooch (gunsmith) in St Albans Abbey 14/12/1831 Witnesses were Ann Dirton, John Nott & Thos. Brown.”

 

2.2.  1835 Emma Gooch Birth

Emma b.21/4/1835 and Sarah Ann b.18/11/1843 were baptised 31/7/1844.

 

2.3.  1835 Harriet Gooch Birth

Father Henry Gooch Mother Catherine Birth13 DEC 1835, Saint Peter, Saint Albans, Hertford, England

 

2.4.  1841 Census Henry and Catherine Gooch Household

Residence St Peters St St Albans Hertfordshire

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Henry                             Head                   Gunmaker                    25                 Not in Hertfordshire

Catherine                                                    ?? maker                     25                 Not in Hertfordshire

Georgina                                                                                          9                 Hertfordshire

Harriot                                                                                             6                 Hertfordshire

Emma                                                                                              3                 Hertfordshire

 

2.5.  1851 Henry and Catherine Gooch Census

Residence George Street St Albans.  George St becomes Fishpool St

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Henry                             Head                    Gunmaker                   40               Canterbury Kent

Catherine                                                    Stay maker                  42               Ellstree Middlesex

Georgina                                                     Bonnet maker             19               St Albans

Harriot                                                         Bonnet maker            15               St Albans

Emma                                                          Bonnet maker            13               St Albans

Sarah Anne                                                 Scholar                        7                St Albans

Ellstree is on the border of Middlesex and Hertfordshire

 

2.6.  1843 Sarah Ann Gooch Birth

Emma b.21/4/1835 and Sarah Ann b.18/11/1843 were baptised 31/7/1844.

 

2.7.  Marriage Harriet Gooch and Richard Walter Brown

01 Nov 1857 Groom Richard Walter Brown, Bride Harriet Gooch, Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

Marriage certificate identifies witnesses as Charles Stevens and Fanny Stevens, Minister CH Andrews and residence as Dextore St or Deutur St or Denton St (Wandsworth?).  Richard Walter Brown occupation Baker.  Father William Brown occupation baker, Father Henry Gooch occupation gun maker.

 

2.8.  1860 Death Catharine Gooch

Deaths Mar 1860 Catherine Gooch District St Albans Volume 3a Page 219

2.9.  1861 Census Henry Gooch Household

Residence Fishpool St St Albans Hertfordshire

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Henry                             Widower             Gunmaker                  49               Canterbury Kent

Georgina                        Dau (unmar)       Bonnet sewer              28              St Albans Herts

Sarah A                          Dau (unmar)       Bonnet sewer              27              St Albans Herts

2.10  1871 Census Gooch Household

Residence 31 Fishpool St St Albans Hertfordshire

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Henry                             Widower              Gunmaker                  58              Canterbury Kent

Catherine                        Dau                      Straw hat maker         37              St Albans Herts

2.11.  1881 Census Gooch Household

Residence 2 Fishpool St St Albans Hertfordshire

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Henry                             Head                   Gunmaker                  72              Canterbury Kent

Catherine                       Dau                     Straw hat maker         45              St Albans Herts

2.12.  1883 Death Henry Gooch

Deaths Mar 1883 Henry Gooch (age 73 ) District St. Albans Volume  3a Page298

Verification required if this is the right Gooch.

2.13.  1891 Gooch Household 1891 Census

Residence 2 Fishpool St St Albans Hertfordshire

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Catherine                      Dau                       Straw hat maker          59              St Albans Herts

It’s odd that Catherine is described as daughter in 1891.  If Henry had died in 1883, why would she?

2.14.  Note Gooch Household details

1. Problem 1  Henry Gooch Gunmaker in the census records is identified as being born in 1816 (1841) census, 1812 (1861 census), 1813 (1871 census), 1809 (1881 census)
2. Problem2.  1841 census identifies children as being Catherine, Georgina, Harriot and Emma.  The 1861 Census identifies a Sarah A as a daughter who is one year younger than Georgina.
3. Interesting the Frederick Brown death certificate identifies that he was born in St Albans Kent.  Confusing his birth details and his grandfathers?
4. Lorraine Tebbutt identifies Henry Gooch as being born 1800 and Catherine Howell being born 1805 and the date of their marriage as 14 Dec 1831.  Lorraine has parents of Henry Gooch as James Gooch (b1751) and Sarah Harvey (b1774) and parents of Catherine Howell as Henry Howell (b?) and Catherine Kaye (b?).

2.15.  Note Catharine Howell

Search for Catharine Howell brings up two in the 1841 census Ancestry.com one born Gloucestorshire the other Shropshire. 
Family Search http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp identifies Catharine Howell and Henry Gooch as marrying in Saint Albans Hertfordshire.  IGS identifies a Catharine Howell from Nottingham.

4. Richard Walter Brown and Harriet Gooch

Family of Richard and Harriet Brown

1830 Birth Details Richard Walter Brown

Name                              Christening Date         Location

Richard                          26 Jan 1830                    Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Father William Brown, Mother Elizabeth Brown

1.16.  1857 Marriage Harriet Gooch and Richard Walter Brown

01 Nov 1857 Groom Richard Walter Brown, Bride Harriet Gooch, Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

Marriage certificate identifies witnesses as Charles Stevens and Fanny Stevens, Minister CH Andrews and residence as Dextore St or Deutur St or Denton St (Wandsworth?).  Richard Walter Brown occupation Baker.  Father William Brown occupation baker, Father Henry Gooch occupation gun maker.

1858 Birth Details Walter Henry Brown

Name                     Christening Date      Location

William                  11 AUG 1858             Abbey, Saint Albans, Hertford, England

Father Richard Walter Brown (Baker), Mother Harriet Brown

 

1.18.  1861 Census Richard Walter and Harriet Brown Household

Address New England Field St Albans

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Richard                          Head                    Baker                           29              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Harriet                           Wife                     Straw Bonnet Maker   25              St Albans Hertfordshire

Henry                             Son                      Scholar                        2                St Albans Hertfordshire

Elena Nease? (unmrr) Lodger                    Straw Bonnet Maker   28             Wheathampstead Hertfordshire

 

1867 Birth Details Frederick

Details noted on the death certificate

Frederick Brown, 1867, St Albans Essex England.

Details noted on extract birth certificate

23 Dec 1866 (reg Mar 1867)

St Peters St, St Albans

Father Occupation Straw Hat Manufacturer (Master)

 

1871 Census Brown Household

No information has been located from the 1871, that is relevant to the Brown family.  In 1871 family would be Richard (c 39), Harriet (c 35), Walter Henry (c12), Frederick (c 5) and if the 1881 census below is correct Martin (c 11) and Kate (c 1).   Latest on this is as follows:
Schedule Type Household
Registration District Poplar
Sub-District Poplar
Parish Poplar
County London, Middlesex
Father Richard W Brown, age 32, born Hampshire
Mother Francis Brown, age 35, born Herefordshire
Son  Walter H Brown, age 13, born Herefordshire
Son Horace Brown, age 6, born Herefordshire
Son Frederick Brown, age 4, born Herefordshire
Dau Kate Brown, age under 1, born Poplar
This information from Familysearch.org has some odd information and requires further investigation.

1881 Brown Information

There are details for a Harriet Brown and a Robert Brown in the 1881 Census.  Not able to locate anything for Harriet and Richard Brown that has relevant information.  However there is information on a Robert and Harriet Brown that could be the right family.  However the discrepancies are substantial (head’s name, head’s birth place and son Martin.  Walter Henry would be c23 if recorded in census.

 

1881 Census Brown Household

Addresss 105 High Street Poplar London, Middlesex, England 

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Robert                            Head                    Journeyman Baker      49              St Albans Hertfordshire

Harriet                           Wife                                                         45              St Albans Hertfordshire

Frederick (unmarr)        Son                       Plasterer                      17              St Albans Hertfordshire

Martin (unmar)              Son                       Baker                          21              St Albans Hertfordshire

Kate                               Dau                      Scholar                        11              St Albans Hertfordshire

Lottie                             Dau                      Scholar                        7                St Albans Hertfordshire

 

1885 Death Richard Walter Brown

Name                              Date                                Location

Richard                           Mar 1885                         St Albans

Verification required if this is the right Brown [see later entry for an answer of no]

 

1915 Death Walter Henry Brown

Name                     Date                                   Location

Walter Henry        26/1/1915 (age 57)            153 A’Beckett St Melbourne

Occupation          Married                            Children

Labourer               Unmarr                              Nil

Parents                  Richard Henry Brown, Baker; Harriet Brown nee Gooch

Cause                    Fibroid disease of the lungs, cardiac dilation of the heart.  Post mortem held by Dr Mollison 27/1/1915  no inquest requird

Residence of Informant G Millar Const 5624 Bourke St Police Station

Where buried        Springvale

Born                       England 13 years in Victoria (1902)

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3. Richard and Sarah Brown and Children (2)

Family of William and Jane Brown

1851 Census William and Jane Brown

8 Hoover? End Farm

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

William                          Head                    Labourer                     26               Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Jane                                Wife                                                        28               Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

William                          Son                      Scholar                        5                 Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Sarah                              Dau                      Home                          2                 Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

1861 Census William and Jane Brown

182 Dagnall Lane, St Albans

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

William                          Head                    Railway Lab                 40              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Jane                                Wife                                                          42              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Sarah                              Dau                      Scholar                         12              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Luiza                              Dau                      Scholar                         7                Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Emma                             Dau                      Scholar                         5                Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Henry                             Son                       Plumber                       23              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Walter                            Son                                                            1                Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Thomas Bird                  Lodger Gen Lab                                        62              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

 

Nothing after 1861 for William Brown (b1822) or family.  Could be that they emigrated or still to be located in Census records for UK.

 

Family of Henry and Elizabeth Brown

1871 Census Henry and Elizabeth Brown

42 Lower Dagnall St, St Albans

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Henry                             Head                    Plumber                       43              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Elizabeth                        Wife                                                         45              Exeter, Devon

William C                      Son                       Painter                         24              St Albans Hertfordshire

1881 Census Elizabeth Brown

323 Lower Dagnall St, St Albans

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Elizabeth Brown            Head                    Widow                         56              Exeter, Devon

Plus four (4) lodgers

1891 Census Elizabeth Brown

46 High St, Bagshot, Surrey

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Elizabeth Brown            Head                    Laundry Washer        72                Exeter, Devon

Frank Rose                    Grandson Scholar                                    9                 Bagshot, Surrey

(not sure is this the same Elizabeth Brown)

 

2. Richard and Sarah Brown and Children (1)

Family of Richard and Sarah Brown
If connected to William Brown there is a lengthy Swain family history see below.

1781 Marriage Richard Brown and Sarah Swain

7 Jun 1781 Luton Bedfordshire

Family Richard and Sarah Brown

Name             Christening Date             Location

Richard                 11 Jan 1782               Saint Mary Luton Bedfordshire

Dinnes                   17 Jul 1785                 Saint Mary Luton Bedfordshire

Sophia                   21 or24 Dec 1786     Saint Mary Luton Bedfordshire

Fanney                  15 Feb 1789               Saint Mary Luton Bedfordshire

Sarah                     03 Apr 1791               Saint Mary Luton Bedfordshire

William                  05 May 1793             Saint Mary Luton Bedfordshire

John                       01or 11  Jan 1795     Saint Mary Luton Bedfordshire

James                    01 Jan 1797               Saint Mary Luton Bedfordshire

Samuel                  01 Jan 1797               Saint Mary Luton Bedfordshire

Ann                        26 May 1799             Saint Mary Luton Bedfordshire

Family of William and Elizabeth Brown
Luton, Hemel Hempstead and St Albans

1791 Birth Details Elizabeth Collins

Name             Christening Date             Location

Elizabeth               18 Sep 1791               Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

1793 Birth Details William Brown (two options)

Name             Christening Date             Location

William                  5 May 1793               St Mary Luton Bedfordshire

Father Richard Brown, Mother Sarah

Or

Name             Christening Date             Location

William                  28 Sept 1793              St Mary Luton Bedfordshire

Father James Brown, Mother Elizabeth

Of these the most likely is the first (based n the fact that William Brown’s first daughter was named Sarah and his youngest son was named Richard).  However there is a big gap between the marriage date of Richard Brown and Sarah Swain (7 June 1781) and the baptism of William Brown (5 May 1793).  But a big family appears (see below).

1815 Marriage William Brown and Elizabeth Collins

14 Apr 1815 Groom William Brown, Bride Elizabeth Collins Hemel Hempstead

1841 Census Brown Household

Address: Dagnal Lane St Albans.

Name                             Gender               Occupation                Age            Birthplace

William                          M                         Baker                           45 (1796) Hertfordshire

Elizabeth                        F                                                               50 (1791) Hertfordshire

Sarah                              F                                                               20              Hertfordshire

Maria                              F                                                               20              Hertfordshire

William                          M                                                              19              Hertfordshire

Henry                             M                                                              15              Hertfordshire

Richard                          M                                                               10              Hertfordshire

 

1851 Census Brown Household

182 Dagnall Lane, St Albans

Name                             Gender               Occupation                Age            Birthplace

William                          Head                   Baker                           60              Luton, Bedfordshire

Eliza                               Wife                                                        59              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Maria                              Dau                     Stawhat Maker            30              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Henry                              Son                     Plumber                       23              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Richard                            Son                     Baker                          19              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

1861 Census Brown Household

151 Spicer St, St Albans

Name                             Gender               Occupation                Age            Birthplace

William                          Head                   Baker                           69              Luton, Bedfordshire

Eliza                               Wife                   Dressmaker                  70              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

Maria                              Dau                    Stawhat Maker             41              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

William                          Grandson            Scholar                        10              St Albans Hertfordshire

1871 Census Brown Household

458 Cross St, St Albans

Name                             Status                  Occupation                Age            Birthplace

Elizabeth Brown             Head                   Independent                 84              Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire